Plot holes according to Zongheng

#42

It said somewhere in the book how the Seven Heavenly Profound Treasures are ranked above the Creation Gods/Devil Emperors. Only treasure that could have been made by AG is MOS. However it was not said that they were created alongside AG… at least i don’t remember that.

#43

So they were birthed from the Primal Chaos after the Ancestral God but not created by her, according to the golden crow soul in chapter 921. I was mostly trying to say that the heavenly treasures were not created by a god but were similar to yet different from the Ancestral God.

#44

Ah, gotcha. Maybe they’re like little concentrated fragments of the various aspects of her power? Like HPAS came from her Yang, Evil Infant from her Yin, Primordial Seal from her power of Creation, etc. Maybe those parts of her existence were too high a level to be assimilated by the Creation Gods/Devil Emperors and so they crystallized into the Seven Treasures or something? Completely spontaneously, of course, or, at the very least, with no interference from the Creation Level Existences.

#45

There’s another thing, what is deep inside the absolute beginning that even divine emperors are afraid to go deeper!

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#46

Isn’t it the fact that the Primordial Beasts get stronger the deeper you go in? Or maybe it was the Nothingness Abyss that is supposed to be the center? I figured it was one of those.

#47

Nothing. literally nothing it was stated when BB explained the story of her and jasmine’s brother that the centre of that realm is filled with nothingness so one needs the power of nothingness to enter that realm which is why no human or god ever entered that location

#48

it is possible for YC to be related to the clan if the yun clan in the BPS is exiled for some reason. they would loose their devilish power like BB did so they could easily learn different profound arts. however i don’t think the MC and the clan are related because the yun clan is a devil clan so even if their cultivation is crippled they would still choose to learn demonic arts rather than god arts on the other hand the profound handle is inherited form a god so it doesn’t have any darkness in it therefore there is nothing connecting the two aside from their last names.

#49

HPAS and Wheel were created from the very top op Universe and very bottom of Universe, nothing to do with AG. The other’s i don’t know.

#50

We will know in Vol17: Null Abyss

#51

Was this in a WeChat or something? Don’t remember reading that.

Edit: Found it. C815. Doesn’t preclude my theory, though, especially if you consider that all energies were originally born from the APG. Presumably Yin and Yang are included in that. Basically speculating that those “most extreme Yin” energies were leftover from the APG in some fashion. As were the Yang energies, of course.

#52

Yin and Yang are the energies of Heaven and Earth in Chinese myth, origin of all life and has nothing to do with AG.

#53

dude if it was a logical person. they would never even dream to think of there worst enemies as their last refuge. But yeah because she is a woman and can spread her legs mars wrote her in. as i always say, if it was a male BB then would he look for YC to help him? HAHHA no he wont, he would want to capture YC to give him clemency with the dragon realm or something. But since it was a beautiful woman, we can safely say Mars is deluded if he thinks that a woman can bribe her way out of beef with her body.

#54

A male villain would not have been in this position to begin with so don’t need to compare Ying’er to a man. Ying’er also hates her father and knows that YC would take revenge against ROG and he would go through BGR, it makes sense if u think about it. Besides she is DM5 and can help YC and with Darkness Everlasting there is no chance of betrayal.

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#55

Im not talking from YC perspective. I am talking from a powerful woman’s perspective who is also one of the smartest people alive. And i told you what if? what-ifs are meant for hypothetic purposes, i obviously know that Mars wouldnt put a man in such a position so close to YC. But i said hypothetically speaking if QY was a male, he would think of how to capture YC and hand him to dragon realm for clemency. She didnt think of that despite her “intelligence”. She literally said, i am a female and i will sell this body to be YC woman.
SHe never knew he needed a furnace, she didnt know none of that. all she knew was that YC is a horny little bastard and always wanted to smash her. So she prayed that in his devil mode he would still have time to be horny.
Also regardless of what happened to her, YC was going to get revenge against everyone. And surprisingly she was at the top of his list to get revenge against. you do know that yes? A few chapters ago he himself said, “out of everyone i want to kill, you are the one i want to kill the most”. so dont go saying it was her only option. If she knew he needed a cauldron, then that settles it. it would have been acceptable for her. but she really pinned her hopes on how much YC valued her body.
and to finish it off, hypothetically speaking if QY was ugly and fat, would she even consider searching for YC to help her get revenge? lol

#56

I get what you’re saying, but what I’m saying is that the APG was the Primal Chaos itself, according to the text, at least. As long as she lived, then she was everything that is, was, and ever would be. She was Creation and Destruction, she was Space and Time, Light and Darkness, the Beginning and the End. She would have been the source of the energies of the Heavens and Earth. Even Primordial Energies wouldn’t have been able to exist without her passing. She would’ve been all of the Yin and all of the Yang in the Primal Chaos, with none leftover for any Heavenly Profound Treasure, until she decided to split.

I’m not saying she created them with her own hands, but if the Treasures spontaneously formed out of a certain kind of energy, that energy could only have originated from her. And considering the Treasures operate on the laws of/by using the energy of the Primal Chaos, which is/was her existence, and are above even the Creation Level Existences and so far nothing is above APG (although Mars’ end of chapter comments suggest that there is/will be at some point in the future) then the Treasures could only have originated from her.

Until it gets written that she wasn’t actually “the Universe gaining sentience”, everything must have come from her in the end.

#57

Agreed; https://ni-tian-xie-shen-against-the-gods.fandom.com/wiki/Ancestral_God Read this page, it explains the beginning of Primal Chaos well

#58

Of the 4 heavenly treasures of the race of the gods all were created by their respective owners and the other 2 by the diabolical gods and the mirror of samsara was not mentioned its original owner nor who created it

#59

Right i have to edit that shit.

Of the 4 heavenly treasures of the god race, all of them were created by their respective owner and the other 2 heavenly treasure of the Devil Race and the mirror of samsara were not mentioned by it’s original owner who created them.

@Dreadedfred U have something to say to this nob?

#60

Definitely not true. The Seven Treasures operate on laws above that of the Creation Level Existences. If not, then the HPAS would just be a really good sword instead of the ultimate weapon the entire Universe was trying to get their hands on and Mo E wouldn’t have needed it to break open the wall of the Primal Chaos, he could’ve just done with his own strength. And HSDE wouldn’t have needed the World Piercer to reopen the wall. She could’ve opened it with her own power and only have used the World Piercer to create a pocket of space outside of the Primal Chaos.

Then there’s the Primordial Seal of Life and Death and the Eternal Heaven Pearl. One controls Time, the other grants immortality, neither are things any of the Creation Gods were capable of. Li Suo even had to study the Primordial Seal just so she could understand life and create Light Energy. Light Energy, a Creation Level Profound Art, was nothing but a byproduct of the Primordial Seal. That’s how much higher the Treasures are compared to all of existence.

That’s not even going into the fact that the original owners of several Treasures were never the masters of said Treasures. Evil Infant never submitted until Jasmine and HPAS never acknowledged Mo E which is why it destroyed his lifespan to swing it. How can they be the creators if they can’t even control them properly?

@Elliott, saw it before bed and was considering leaving it be because I thought, “Maybe I’ve been getting into too many debates, lately.” But then I woke up was like “Fuck it.” So here we are.:grin:

#61

I think Chi Shi is the daughter of the Dragon Goddess Azur because when she first met with Yun Shi when she wanted to erase his memories, I felt the spirit of the Dragon and from that moment I planned to establish a relationship with him and have a child of the Dragon Goddess Azure dynasty.As for the first treasure of heavenly treasures, I think that it is in the land of Samsara because Qi Shi is sealed there and can not leave and there is also the secret of the well of Samsara and I also think it has to do with the mirror of Samsara and these are all hypotheses and I hope that they are true